Brad continues a lively conversation with Dude Spellings of Austin, TX. Dude describes how he overcame his frustration with his "slow" MAF training and allowed himself to build a strong aerobic base. Oh yeah, he also lost another 25 pounds to get down to lean, mean racing weight decades after being a hotshot young runner. Brad and Dude expound on the benefits and rationale for emphasizing aerobic training. Dude offers a great insight about measuring your aerobic output by time instead of by mileage. Top marathoners run 120 miles per week, but they are only out there for 10 hours, you know? Dude and Brad will get you psyched to delve into the wonderful world of cold therapy, and Dude exclaims that his cold exposure practice has made him a more chill guy in real life. He offers scientific references to mention that excess body fat might be a function of not just diet, but constant exposure to pleasant ambient temperatures, and excess blue light exposure messing with your appetite hormones. You'll be ready to take your first cold shower after listening to Dude and Brad!
In training for competing, we used to think that you had to produce as much work as possible without thinking of the sympathetic and parasympathetic systems. [00:01:55]
Think about this: What is the highest purpose for being out that working out? . [00:04:30]
By training with the MAF method, the performance can escalate without risking burnout. [00:09:22]
The amount of time you are putting in is more important than the amount of miles. [00:11:01]
Cold therapy is the natural way to go. After the initial shock of the water, you get the flood of chemicals that give you high. [00:14:08]
The mental benefits of exposure to the cold are many. You can learn to take control over your life rather than being reactive. [00:22:00]
Exposure to artificial light is common in our society. This messes up our sleep cycle and the mitochondrial function. [00:23:48]
Public consciousness is dragging behind. When the sun goes down, our body thinks it is to go to sleep, however, we expose ourselves to artificial light which is a contributing factor to obesity. [00:30:03]
The unnatural light is why the ketogenic diet works for most people. [00:32:21]
Playing speed golf opened Dude up to getting good fitness and nutrition goals in place. [00:33:26]
It is an important element in life to have competitive goals. [00:37:42]
Deena Kastor: Bronze medalist at Olympics
Brad Kearns Cold Therapy: Watch this YouTube video
Kelly Starrett: Coach, physical therapist, author, speaker, and creator of a blog, which has revolutionized how athletes think about human movement and athletic performance.
Marks Daily Apple: The (Maybe Not So) Definitive Guide to Cold Therapy
“If you run 100 miles a week at 10 miles per hour, that’s only 10 hours per week!”
Brad Kearns talks to a big-time peak performance enthusiast from Austin, TX named Dude Spellings. Dude is an avid Speedgolfer, primal/paleo/keto eater, cold therapy enthusiast, and endurance athlete devoted to the Primal Endurance approach. He is deep into the primal living journey and a student of all latest health topics and you will enjoy this two-part episode chock full of great tips from a real guy doing his best to balance a busy life, delay aging, and pursue peak performance goals. Dude was a high school running champion who let himself get overweight and out of shape. He returned to fitness with a traditional chronic approach and hit a plateau. He had lost 20 pounds but had 25 more to go. Part 1 starts with the compelling account of how Dude threw his back out six years ago and vowed to "not be that guy" in the years ahead. He was doing okay with health and fitness goals but realized he could be much better. He was suffering from an annoying recurring skin condition that wasn't responding to medical treatment but cleared when he optimized his diet. Pick up some good tips and reflections to be the best you can be from Dude, and stay tuned for part 2!
When he wanted to lose weight he tried the "old-fashioned way" using My Fitness Pal, counting calories. [00:03:28]
Dude's back injury was a turning point for him. [00:07:05]
He realized that cutting calories too much kills the weight loss! [00:11:59]
He still believed that carbohydrate intake was needed for exercise. [00:13:56]
It is estimated that 40 percent of the calories that you get in a restaurant are from the refined seed oils that are so bad for you. [00:14:52]
A good starting point is to get in the habit of reading labels. You'd be surprised what you are eating even when you are trying to eat healthy!! [00:16:28]
Some people find that their allergies, skin diseases, and other maladies disappear after they drop grains from their diet. [00:21:32]
The elephant in the room in the endurance community is the excess body fat. [00:28:14]
The Maffetone's training was Dude's motivation for his great success. [00:31:22]
Meal choices are part of your training. [00:35:22]
The way he was training before was keeping him constantly sore with muscle tension. [00:36:38]
Dr. Peter Attia: Brad’s podcast with Peter covers longevity diet, and finding the drive.
Wheat Belly: Book on the grain-free lifestyle without sacrificing nutrition, variety or taste.
Dr. Phil Maffetone: He says “Everyone is an athlete.”
Dr. Cate Shanahan: Podcast with Brad on why vegetable oils are toxic.
This episode was inspired by awesome email commentary from a devoted listener, Primal Endurance advocate, and accomplished collegiate level runner Jack McGinness. Kipchoge recently ran the Berlin Marathon in 2:01.39, shattering the previous record and closing in on the previously unfathomable 2:00 barrier. Kipchoge’s pace per mile was an astonishing 4:39. Most accomplished runners would be hard-pressed to match this pace for even a half a lap around a track, but Kipchoge can continue at this speed for 26 miles. This is truly one of the most phenomenal athletic performances of the past 100 years.
What’s interesting about Kipchoge’s story is that, just as Dr. Phil Maffetone predicted in his commentary on the Primal Endurance Mastery Course, Kipchoge has become the greatest marathoner in history by training easier than other elite marathoners. Strange as it may seem, this guy rarely exceeds what we call MAF pace. Oh, Kipchoge runs like the wind, on muddy trails and high altitude in Kenya, but he explains that he tries to never exceed 80% of his capacity, instead of saving his energy for races.
He is super consistent, super disciplined, but he never trashes himself, never gets sick or injured, and doesn’t even taper for races. He runs 110-120 miles a week with great discipline and joy. Hit some of the links in the show notes and learn how wise and thoughtful he is—far more than just a running machine! You will learn some interesting insights from this show, particularly when you compare and contrast Kipchoge’s eminently sensible approach with the ridiculous Type A chronic approach that is still the norm in America, particularly in the collegiate and high school systems. The cover of the book Primal Endurance says “Slow down to go faster,” and now Kipchoge has actualized this concept.
In the Berlin Marathon in September 2018 this runner came up with a 2:01:39 time. This computes to an average 4:39 mile!! [00:01:36]
Running is a most satisfying sport. But you have to do it right. The running community in the past has been doing it disastrously wrong! [00:04:05]
Doping continues to be common in the running world. [00:06:28]
What is Kipchoge training method? He never over-extends himself. [00:09:53]
The only thing that is in somewhat conflict with the primal theory is he has a constant schedule. [00:15:42]
If you are a person who's trying to break the three-hour mark or the four-hour mark, just apply these insights to your relative example. [00:20:28]
The general problem with many American distance runners is too many type A runners who obsess over their workouts and paces and then fail to take care of the little things. [00:21:59]
Kipchoge is going to change the game. [00:25:43]
The science of running article analyzing his training
Kipchoge training log
This show is about rethinking the basic notions of athletic training, particularly the ‘no pain no gain’ model that’s been widely criticized but is still embedded into DNA of many endurance athletes. Brad offers insights from four experts that may just blow your mind and get you to make some changes in your schedule that can lead to big improvements, and reduced risk of overtraining, illness, injury and burnout. These insights place particular emphasis on the recovery aspect of peak performance, something that has been overlooked or taken for granted by hard-charging endurance athletes. It's time to wake up and implement an evolved approach to your endurance goals, with help from four great thought leaders Brad discusses in this show. Some brief highlights:
Dr. Phil Maffetone: Honor MAF heart rate and emphasize aerobic development. Never exceed 90% of max heart rate during high intensity sessions.
Brian MacKenzie: The Power, Speed, Endurance guru and founder of Crossfit Endurance is now obsessed with recovery as the next evolution of athletic training--stuff like breathing practice, and hot and cold therapy!
Joel Jamieson: Joel's Rebound Workouts entail doing a focused protocol of movements that can actually help speed recovery by stimulating parasympathetic activity. The workout includes breathing, stretching, mobility/range of motion exercise, doing positive lifts only (dropping the weight after lifting to avoid eccentric), and doing very short intervals with mindful heart rate lowering during long recovery periods.
Craig Marker: Craig and Pavel Tsatsouline of StrongFirst and StrongEndurance suggest that the popular HIIT training is inferior to High-Intensity Repeat Training, where you rest long enough to deliver consistent high-quality efforts and don't get exhausted by the end.
Whether you are a casual or serious endurance athlete, this show can transform your approach to sport, improving performance and reducing the risk of burnout. Listen to this show like your life depends upon it!
Brad reviews the most important insights gathered from his interviews with these experts.
Dr. Phil Maffetone: It's so important to get this out there: The Maffetone formula is 180 minus your age in beats per minute is the maximum fat-burning point that should be the goal of all people interested in maintaining the best training and fitness. [00:03:36]
You need not ever exceed 90 percent of your maximum heart rate even during the most intense and explosive training sessions. [00:06:26]
Brian MacKenzie, Founder of CrossFit: Breathing, Recovery, Training, Strength and Conditioning, Endurance, Sports Programming, Mechanics, Injuries, Nutrition, and Sleep Analysis are the pieces he puts together to create the total athlete. [00:10:31]
The Ice Man, Wim Hof, trains people to overcome the resistance to cold with his breathing protocols. [00:14:57]
Joel Jamison offers ground-breaking insights: Emphasis is on recovery-based training methods (rebound workouts). Those are the sessions you perform when you are trying to recover. [00:18:07]
Craig Marker, StrongFirst.com: Recommends High-Intensity Repeat Training which is to make the effort, rest for sufficient duration in terms of the quality of the effort. [00:22:59]
Four sprints and rest combo works the best for Brad. Focus on quality. [00:28:16]
You can apply this same mentality no matter what your sport. The maximum sustained power session vs. the fatiguing session is important to understand. [00:29:31]
Brad reviews the importance of resting between the mobility work. [00:34:43]
DNAFit.com can analyze your genetic profile to see what sport you are structured for. [00:37:59]
“The record will be broken by an athlete who is doing less mileage and less intensity than today’s marathon champions.” (Dr. Phil Maffetone)
Listen in as Brad Kearns and Dr. Phil Maffetone have a casual chat about an assortment of interesting topics related to endurance training and general health. Brad complains about his crash and burn patterns, where he feels great for a while and then has down periods of diminished energy and training output. Dr. Maffetone speculates that the cause could be an inappropriate maximum aerobic heart rate value, and urges a conservative approach when calculating your number. He also mentions low vitamin D as a common cause of fluctuating energy levels, and that athletes should strive to get up around 60 or 70 ng/mL. This is way above the mainstream recommendations and a very interesting insight for many sun-starved athletes to consider.
Regarding sleep, Dr. Maffetone urges everyone to get at least 7-9 hours of uninterrupted sleep each night. If you find yourself awakening in the middle of the night, it’s a sign of elevated cortisol levels and an overly stressful lifestyle. With high quality sleep each night, napping should be minimally necessary, but a nap of 30 minutes and no longer than an hour can be restorative.
Dr. Maffetone’s book, 1:59, discusses the possibility of a human running a sub-2-hour marathon and how it will happen. Maffetone suggests that a smart athlete backing off of the ultra-high volume of today’s elites (and running barefoot!) might gain some performance benefits. Maffetone also discusses the difference between the desirable overreaching in training to improve fitness, versus the undesirable state of overtraining (fatigue, depression, hormone imbalance). Brad and Phil discuss the interesting and confusing phenomenon that occurs in the first stage of overtraining. Here, sympathetic (fight or flight) activity is elevated, the athlete feels energized and aggressive, and PRs can even happen. Without a reasonable and intuitive approach, the athlete is headed for a crash when stress hormone production becomes exhausted. Enjoy this informative discussion with Dr. Phil Maffetone, including his own music framing the show! Learn more at PhilMaffetone.com.
Brad asks: when I have been able to perform great athletic feats, why do I feel a crash and burn afterward? [03:06]
Brad talks about his stress while playing Speed Golf and how he found his heart rate higher than normal. [07:44]
The importance of Vitamin D testing and the vitamin’s optimal levels. [12:19]
How important is measuring heart rate variability for attending to your heart health and ability for recovery? [15:14]
A big part of recovery is getting a good night's sleep, meaning 7 to 9 hours of uninterrupted sleep. [17:40]
Dr. Phil talks about departing from extreme overtraining, as mentioned in his book, The 1:59 Marathon. [21:52]
What is the difference between overreaching and the undesirable state of overtraining? [25:36]
Brad talks about his own experience with crashing and burning. [29:51]
Are recovery and rest more important than the training? [34:00]
We have to look at diet, rest, circadian rhythm, Vitamin D, and stress all together. The Kenyans are a good example. [37:42]
Even shoes are a problem for slowing your pace. [39:28]
The more we recover, the stronger we get!
Selected Links from this Episode:
Read more at https://primalendurance.libsyn.com/4-phil-maffetone-part-2#0heO723qd10JmMTO.99
Host Brad Kearns talks to one of the true legends of endurance athletics, Dr. Phil Maffetone. Dr. Maffetone has advised some of the greatest endurance athletes in history, like triathlon champions Mike Pigg and Mark Allen. For decades, Dr. Maffetone has been promoting the benefits of aerobic development and how to protect and nourish health in pursuit of ambitious endurance goals. In this episode, Dr. Maffetone details how to get started with the Maffetone method of endurance training, something that will be of particular interest to any endurance athlete who has experienced fatigue, injury, recurring minor illness, regression or stagnation in performance and especially inability to reduce excess body fat.
Dr. Maffetone says to the first start with a self-assessment of your body, performance, and stress levels. Take into account all stress factors, such as consuming refined carbs, drinking too much caffeine, not getting enough sleep, doing too much training and maintaining an elevated heart rate. The second step is to identify your maximum aerobic heart rate (the 180 minus age formula detailed in his book, The Big Book of Endurance Training and Racing) and commence a strict base building period. The third is to eliminate sugar and other refined carbs from your diet. Fourth, conduct a Maximum Aerobic Function test once a month to ensure that you are making steady progress in your aerobic development. Enjoy this informative discussion with Dr. Phil Maffetone, including his own music framing the show! Learn more at PhilMaffetone.com.
Being fit does not necessarily mean that you are healthy. [02.40]
The difficulty of putting on events like triathlons and music concerts. [05:07]
How it’s hard to coach a hard-driving athlete to have patience and
slow down their training. [07:30]
The problem of an incorrectly developed aerobic system. [10.09]
The dangers of looking for a fight or flight reflex for satisfaction. [12:00]
What can we do to balance stress, rest better and be healthier? [14.32]
What are the first steps to eliminating excess body fat? Diet or exercise? [15:34]
If people build a really good aerobic base and want to fine tune their speed, how can they do that? [19:52]
Stress is something that needs to be addressed. There is physical, chemical (dietary), and mental/emotional stress. [23:16]
How to tell if you don’t have a good aerobic heart rate. [24:34]
Why you should get off sugar. [26:46]
The concept of "cheat days" is leading you on the wrong path. [28:53]
Get rid of your stresses. When you have a healthier aerobic system, the body is meant to deal with stress. [30:52]
How do you build a better aerobic system? [35:43]
Dr. Maffetone spent years coming up with a heart rate formula (180 minus your age). What does this number represent? [00:39:50]
With a heart monitor, you will be able to get a good idea of how your body is progressing. [46:38] What is this test? You strap on the heart rate monitor and establish a fixed course that you repeat. [53:04]
The important thing relating to competitive success is simply slowing down the average pace in workouts. [57:26]
Read more at:
Host Brad Kearns catches up with Mark Allen, the greatest triathlete in history, who has a record six victories at the Hawaii Ironman and ten victories at the Nice, France World Long Course Championship. Today, he is a popular triathlon coach at MarkAllenCoaching.com, TV commentator, corporate speaker, author, and presenter of “Fit Soul, Fit Body” retreats with Brant Secunda, a Huichol shaman, and healer.
First, Mark talks about the importance of releasing attachment to outcomes and being committed to the enjoyment and appreciation of the process. He discusses how, after a series of unfortunate setbacks, Mark’s first victory in 1989 precipitated five Ironman attempts before he retired at the top of his game at age 39.
Mark talks about balancing the pursuit of extreme endurance goals with maintaining health and how research on Heart Rate Variability has been a great breakthrough in monitoring stress and planning training.
Mark and Brad discuss the importance of sleep when training and Mark elaborate on how he was able to live a normal, laid-back lifestyle once his grueling training sessions or competitive seasons were over.
Finally, they discuss how Mark has released a book called The Art of Competition, which blends stunning nature photography with inspirational quotes chosen by Mark for their significance to competitors seeking a healthy perspective and inspiration to pursue athletic goals.
Read more at http://primalendurance.libsyn.
By popular demand, Andre is back on the show! This engaging chap from Australia generated great accolades on his first podcast appearance, so Brad and Dr. Lindsay Taylor catch up with him again to talk about his life coaching strategies. Yes, this stuff has a direct and important application to your endurance goals and overall happiness and satisfaction. Andre describes his “Wheel of Life” program (you can download the wheel at andreobradovich.com), where you rank assorted lifestyle categories in order of importance, and also rank them in order of how well you are doing in each one. For example, if you rank your health high in priority but low in compliance, you identify critical areas to improve and reprioritize.
Andre shares his own journey of becoming consumed by corporate life and falling so far out of balance that he destroyed his mental and physical health. It’s been a long road back to his existence today as a very popular endurance and life coach, as well as an elite age group triathlete. Andre is always full of levity and memorable aphorisms, so enjoy this show and consider checking out the Wheel of Life exercise as a great starting point for personal growth. Coaches: never ask “why?” for that’s a judging question. Instead, say something more open and nurturing such as, “tell me more.”
Andre talks about the Wheel of Life, his coaching tool. When one tries this assessment online, the result is a good visual of the portions of your life. [00:00:44]
As part of his coaching technique, Andre uses the Wheel of Life to help you analyze the balance in your life. From there is can be used to look at your fitness. You then examine the results and look at what you feel about certain aspects of those results. [00:08:13]
So after you gather this information, what are you, the coach, looking for? [00:12:31]
Brad asks: What are the identified forces that pushed you off balance? His whole identity was totally wrapped up in being an executive; all about rank and position in the world. All about me. [00:24:25]
This frantic position he found himself in was reflective of our society. We are searching for recognition from our peers and finding a sense of self importance. [00:28:42]
Often when you are involved in competitive activities is when you most need this help. If you had a coach like this, you might very well have refuted the advice such as we are discussing here. [00:33:44]
In coaching, we don't need to ask the questions because down deep everyone knows the answers. [00:34:59]
Ask your partner to rate you on the Wheel of Life. [00:38:36]
Listen to Andre podcast number 1. Go to Podcast no. 153
Wheel of Life: Free online assessment of the balance in your life.
We are all searching for recognition from our peers and finding a sense of self-importance. (Brad Kearns)
How are the things you are doing contributing to your health, your future, and your family? (Andre Obradovic)
People don’t ask themselves those questions. They know the answers and they would have to be more motivated. (Lindsay Taylor)
Brad Kearns tackles more interesting Q&A from Primal Endurance podcast listeners and book readers. Submit your questions at www.primalblueprint.com/
Dave Reed from the UK has been really working with the book since January and has adopted primal diet, MAF training and now is fat adapted. He has been racing but finds his performance has dipped. Would going MAF since January have caused a dip in my performance with the increased benefit being seen after a long period on this training or could it be some other factor? [00:01:16]
Dave also inquires about MSP (maximum sustained power) training with the 4-3-2-2-1 (reps) format described in the book. This is a format that can vary among individuals who are working toward building with those high-quality sets. [00:06:00]
Kenny is a slow but committed triathlete and asks about drinking carbonated water. Is it okay? Also, why does he have trouble losing weight? [00:17:00]
Brian is asking: Why does my MAF time improve so much faster on a bike than when I'm running? [00:20:18]
A second question is how to respond to the folks who still think one should use carbs for high performance. [00:22:34]
Shannon has many questions about counting macronutrients. There is no fat minimum. She is worried about going overboard on carbs. [00:32:19]
Shannon is also asking about how to manage cravings and appetite. [00:39:47]
REFERENCES AND NOTABLE PEOPLE:
Brownlee Brothers: These well-known triathletes went viral when the one brother carried an ailing brother over the finish line at the World Triathlete Championships in Mexico. Brad mentions their diet is questionable.
FASTER Study: This study out of the University of Connecticut was aimed at discovering the role diet plays in how our bodies metabolize fat vs. carbohydrate during exercise.
Johnny G: This South African, a fitness visionary, created the Spinning movement. He also road in the Race Across America
Andre Obradiovic: He is one of the country’s leading coaches. Listen to Brad’s postcast with him: “Don’t Be A Muppet, Be a Powerful Fat-Burning Beast”
RAAM: The world’s toughest bicycle race. Next one is June 2019!!
Lindsay Taylor: Listen to her podcast with Nourish Balance Thrive discussing brain training for the primal Keto endurance athlete.
Luis Villasenor: Everything you want to know bout the ketogenic diet is here.
Simon Whitfield: Look at his YouTube of the exciting finish in Olympic Gold Medal Race
Brad covers some very thoughtful Q&A, including where weights might fit into the seemingly rigid guidelines and how Primal Endurance differs from Primal Blueprint Fitness guidelines. He looks at the possibility of over-consuming fat and possibly compromising fat loss goals. Brad's super duper awesome cure for plantar fasciitis, how MAF might require you to slow down to a fast walk in the name of rebuilding your broken down body. How to integrate carbs into peak performance efforts and do they cause any trouble? More great stuff along these lines, thanks for the great questions, enjoy the show!
Kevin asks about lifting weights. Please explain the Primal Endurance rules on this activity. Why are you so tough on strength training? [00:01:34]
Tori wants to know about what can she do after surgery for ACL regarding recovery. What can she do about her diet since she won't be able to train as she has the past ten years? [00:06:01]
Olivia has a wonderful testimonial regarding healthy eating. They are eating Keto and paleo and feels great.[00:13:07]
David Porte. a 50-year-old trail runner, is a steady listener of the podcasts. What can be done about his plantar fasciitis? [00:15:27]
Conrad asking about short sprints. What would be advised about altering my weekly schedule regarding sprints? [00:19:44]
Darren has quite a running history. He asks about Maffetone's suggestions of one hour sessions with 15 minute warm up, 30 minutes at maximum aerobic heart rate, and 15 minute cool down. He is training for NYC marathon. What distances should I be training at? [00:24:35]
Matt: How do mid-race or pre-race carbs affect my ability to burn fat? [00:29:23]
Derek is asking: What do you recommend to someone who loves Keto but expends 3000 to 5000 calories a day during constant activity and two highly intense workouts per day? [00:35:50]
Dr. Mark Cucuzella: He is a professor at West Virginia University School of Medicine. Of his many specialties he has designed programs to promote healthier and better running and has also worked on getting sugar out of the hospital because he knows excessive sugar consumption leads to a host of ailments.
Ketogains.com: This podcast is about how physiology affects food habits (and vice versa), carnivore diets, high vs. low-carb/keto for bodybuilding, exogenous ketones, how insulin sensitivity possibly affects BAT vs WAT fat depots.
Ted Mcdonald: Creator of barfoot running. He has run the Inca Trail in Peru. He teaches yoga.
Paleo FX: The world’s premier holistic wellness event, covering healthy nutrition, fitness, sustainability, self-development, spirituality, relationships, entrepreneurship and everything in between.
Trail Runner Nation: They provide podcasts and social media connections for trail running, pacing, race nutrition, gear and much more.
UCan: For a steady long-lasting energy without the sugar crash!!
Luis Villasenor: A Podcast on strength training on a Ketogenic diet
You need to tie in what you are doing nutritionally in training and know exactly what is happening on race day. (Brad)
Brad catches up with Guinness World Record holding ultra-endurance athlete Tom Seabourne, a professor of Exercise Physiology at Northeast Texas Community College who has pushed the limits of human endurance with numerous finishes in what Outside magazine calls the toughest athletic event in the world: The non-stop solo bicycle Race Across America (RAAM). Tom and Brad reminisce about the old days where Tom was on the cheapest crew in the history of the race, while Brad was part of Johnny G’s most expensive crew in the history of the race. Tom was 103 miles from the finish line at 3,000 miles when he was eliminated on time. Heartbreak, but it got him “addicted” to the event, which he went on to finish several times. Cycling over 300 miles for 22 hours a day is pretty tough, but Tom’s crew follies were epic. Once, his team lost him in the California desert soon after the start. Another time his relay team members bailed in Utah! Tom also set a Guinness World record for the longest stationary bike ride of 185 hours - over 7 days (watching The Office re-runs helped pass the time)! The record performance, notwithstanding the “urine explosion” incident, that you have to hear to believe.
As a “horrible carb addict” during his ultramarathon cycling days, Tom actually developed Type 1.5 diabetes (fasting glucose 450!) despite being at 5% body fat. He also developed atrial fibrillation and atrial flutter, which are now becoming commonplace maladies among extreme endurance athletes. Learn what’s happening in the mind of an ultra king during these long efforts, which Tom describes as a flow-like experience.
Brad welcomes Tom Seabourne who is doing amazing athletic exploits while battling various health conditions. [00:00:16]
What is the Race Across America (RAAM)? What was Tom's experience? [00:01:45]
How did Tom's plantar fasciitis get cured? [00:08:28]
What is entailed in being on the crew for this race? [00:09:45]
Never try something without having the training or having sponsors for it! [00:16:26]
He had a history of horrible eating. [00:20:53]
What about calories in and calories out? [00:23:35]
What happened when Tom did the record-setting ride on the Spinner bike? [00:25:01]
Tom talks about his atrial fibrillation. [00:31:35]
Has Tom changed his approach to training since the heart problems? Is he addicted? [00:35:33]
Does Brad think about going back to the triathlon? [00:39:07]
Is something special about the sort of meditative experience we have when riding? [00:40:57]
What is a Type 1.5 diabetic? How is he handling it? What is the difference between Type 1 and 2? [00:53:27]
What is the ablation procedure for atrial fibrillation? Don't wait too long to take care of yourself. [01:01:08]
Check out Tom’s book on Amazon called, Glitches Into Gold
Race Across America: http://www.raceacrossamerica.org/
Never try something without having training for it!
We are nothing more than the space between our thoughts.
Brad lays out a master plan to improve your running performance, looking beyond the obvious and sometimes misguided insights to push harder, add more speed workouts, or run more miles. Endurance athletes often overlook the importance of technique, and often exhibit horrible technique. No excuses are such a simple sport! Golf - plenty of excuses for a lousy swing (it’s very technical and hard to develop), but not running!
Some discussion of technique ensues, emphasizing balanced center of gravity at all times and good posture. The listener is urged to dive deep into the running technique instruction, drills and sprint workout videos in the Primal Endurance Mastery Course at primalendurance.fit. Sprinting is great for technique development because the penalty for a poor technique is severe. Ditto for running barefoot on concrete - you very quickly learn how to strike the ground and absorb shock optimally, and generate explosive force with each stride. In contrast, cushy running shoes ruin your proprioception and enable lousy technique to become ingrained
When you sprint, make sure it’s an actual sprint. Even reps of 100-meter sprints are great for the hormonal, musculoskeletal and technique refinement benefits. Brad rarely goes further than this. Sprints are quality over quantity, both in the frequency of workouts (3x/month during intensity phases is plenty) and duration of efforts. Most endurance athletes make their “speed” workouts a suffer fest (ahem, 6 x 800m and so forth). They just get exhausted, don’t really run explosively, and lose out on the benefits of actual sprinting. This show will be a real eye-opener for how to integrate high intensity into your schedule the right way and get you thinking more about good technique instead of just shuffling along.
“The penalty for technique errors and not properly absorbing the impact is severe.”
How does one build aerobic base efficiency? [00:00:58]
What is the cut-off point 50-50 performance? [00:05:30]
What are the benefits of doing super hard sprinting? [00:07:19]
Dorsa flex foot is like imagining pedaling your bike over hot lava. [00:08:40]
A good way to teach people how to run is to have them run barefoot on cement! [00:10:58]
How does one rewire the Central Nervous System to be more efficient? [00:13:59]
How often should a person sprint? [00:16:09]
What are some good workout suggestions? [00:17:23]
Brad lays out a master plan for you to improve your swimming performance in multisport events. And no, sorry, it’s not about pushing harder and grinding out more yards. It entails a strategic approach where you emphasize the right things and work smarter instead of harder. Let’s consider that there are three components to swimming performance: technique, muscular endurance, and cardiovascular fitness. Technique is by far the most important factor for improvement. The report card of most triathletes might look like: D or F in technique, B or C in muscular endurance and an A+ in Technique is best refined at a slow pace, not when you are fighting to make an interval time. Slow down to go faster - sound familiar? This is when you can best rewire new and improved neuromuscular patterns and make them stick. “Nerves that fire together wire together,” says Dr. Kelly Starrett. Muscular endurance can be developed with dry land exercises that are vastly more time efficient than swimming. Check out the Vasa trainer or Stretch Cordz and hit it hard for 10 minutes; it’s similar in muscular benefit to an hour swim (and remember, you already have an A+ in cardio!) Get out into open water as often as possible, and if you are in the pool, simulate open water by sighting every few strokes or closing your eyes for a few strokes to check your balance.
Finally, conduct workouts that simulate the race experience, such as time trialing for 1.5k (Olympic) or 2k (70.3) or even 4k (ironman) and immediately jumping on your bike for a time trial. Yes, dripping wet and fussing with wet feet into shoes or water dripping into your lenses. If you are dedicating your season and paying a zillion dollars to enter an Ironman, at least get into the open water for a 4k nonstop swim, then immediately jump on your bike for a long. We don’t want surprises on race day.
Brad uses paddleboats as a comparison to explain human swimming technique. [00:00:49]
What can you learn from comparing your stroke to a boat's propeller's action? [00:05:41]
It is important to find the still water for your stroke. Learn the difference between "Lift Propulsion” and “Drag Propulsion." [00:08:18]
Technique, muscular endurance, and cardio-vascular fitness are the three main areas of the swim stroke. [00:13:45]
What is a description of a streamlined position in the water? [00:19:54]
How do you engrain good technique or revise flawed patterns? [00:23:15]
You might want to focus on your stroke rate rather than stroke length. [00:30:25]
How does one improve muscular endurance? [00:32:55]
How important is it to simulate the competitive experience as I train? [00:40:42]
Host Brad Kearns ups the ante and records this podcast as a Facebook Live event! You can find the video to the show archived on the Primal Endurance Facebook page. Frequent contributor David Lapp weighs in on the do's and don'ts of cold water therapy (use away from the training stimulus). An interesting question is posed about whether high ketone levels might enable magnificent endurance feats at a fast pace (sorry, no can do; the natural laws of the universe apply to fitness, and you will get tired if you aren't prepared to go long...ask Brad when he tried to run 15 miles with Dr. Steven and made it only 7 before tying up). Another interesting question about an adverse telomere length test, and can one improve their longevity profile? Yes, including improving your time in the one-mile run to deliver a strong longevity benefit. Sebastian Bach of Skid Row gets a cameo, trip out on that.
David Lapp has asked if cold therapy is best right after workouts. [00:00:56]
There shouldn't be a big need to stretch unless you are overtraining! [00:07:09]
What about rolling out the IT band? [00:08:23]
Should one push up to a higher heart rate? [00:10:10]
Is fat adaptation the reason for my improvement or the MAF way of training? [00:12:35]
Be cognizant that you may be ingesting food outside the recommended 12-hour window. [00:15:58]
How does Brad make Kombucha? [00:21:02]
Charles age 42 asks: "If I'm in ketosis, could I run a marathon and just keep going if I run slow enough?" [00:24:36]
Paul age 53 says: "My telomeres tests show that my body is 13 years older than my chronological age! YIKES!!! What can I do?" [00:30:54]
Aerobics Institute in Texas predicts longevity with a test of a one-mile run. [00:40:57]
“There shouldn’t be a need to stretch unless you are overtraining.”
“Keep your caloric ingesting within a 12-hour window.”
Brad fields many interesting and unusual questions in today's podcast.
Question from Charles: What entails maximum sustained power training? How often should a person do this? [00:01:27]
Brad warns about the danger of road cycling. [00:12:11]
Brad explains workouts done properly. [00:18:08]
David Lapp asks: How do you get rid of the bad habit of chronic training patterns? [00:23:13]
What is the argument against consistency? [00:29:04]
Brad gives the secret password for a discount on the Primal Endurance course. [00:34:01]
Todd asks: If one takes a long walk or a hike at a brisk pace, is it possible to still trigger the flight or fight response in the body? [00:35:36]
Travis asks about his frustration of trying to adjust to the MAF training. [00:41:15]
The cutoff point for 50-50 (50 percent aerobic and 50 percent anaerobic) is a race that lasts 1 minute and 25 seconds.
“A little goes a long way. Make sure you get rest.”
“Of all the dangerous things you may do in your life remember that road cycling is the number one most dangerous thing you can do. Be careful out there!!”
“The cutoff point for 50-50 (50 percent aerobic contribution and 50 percent anaerobic contribution) is a race that lasts 1 minute and 25 seconds.”
Host Brad Kearns talks to Andre Obradovic from Melbourne, Australia. Andre is a highly engaging personal trainer, triathlon coach, and elite level performer in the 50+ ranks at 70.3 triathlon—ranked 10th in the Ironman All World Athlete rankings for Australia, the most competitive triathlon environment on the planet, mate. Andre’s remarkable story of transitioning from a “little fatty carb burner, sucking up food like a pool sweep machine” back in 2011 to a lean, mean, fat burning beast will inspire you to trust the process and be the best you can be. Basically, Andre cut processed carbs, slowed down his training pace, threw in some mobility/flexibility and power training, and started getting healthier and faster. He went from needing an energy gel to complete a 10k run, to improve his marathon time by 17 minutes despite being 7 years older. Now he is so committed to the primal approach that he refuses to train a prospective client in his gym until they agree to transition from a SAD diet (Standard Australian Diet - yes they wolf down Weetabix Down Under) to a nutritious, primal-style diet.
Andre peppers in some highly entertaining and memorable quotes during this show. Trust the process, don’t be a “muppet” (a blind follower of what Andre calls “conventional stupidity”), don’t fritter time away on “Wastebook”, and when you’re running a marathon, focus on a rapid cadence with balanced center of gravity, and try the mantra “Glutes On! Hips Up!”—yes, technique matters even when you’re jogging along at marathon pace. Try training and even racing without a watch to increase focus on form and intuitively optimal effort.
Andre relates how only two years ago, he was hopeless in the gym. He studied the Maximum Sustained Power concept detailed in Primal Endurance book and Mastery Course and even booked a private Skype session with MSP guru Jacques DeVore to get a custom program designed. Yeah, this dude you line up against in the 50-54 division is going into the gym and hitting the hex bar deadlift with multiple sets at 97 kilos (that’s 213lbs for a guy weighing a buck-forty - amazing!), along with numerous complementary exercises like lat pulls, clap pushups, Bulgarian split lunges (sounds hard), Swiss ball core work, and explosive lunge walks. Yes, friends, this is the picture of the evolved multisport athlete — grabbing podiums spots while training more sensibly and less exhaustively. This is not about flawed and dated “quality vs quantity” debate, but rather about eating right, balancing stress and rest at all times, honoring the MAF heart rate for aerobic development, looking at the big picture of training that includes flexibility/mobility and strength/power as well as endurance, making intuitive decisions (Andre does an extensive warmup in the gym and then has a “check-in” moment before he proceeds with the hard stuff.) Finally, Andre embodies that relaxed, “no worries, mate,” Aussie ethos where you tone down the misplaced competitive intensity and enjoy the journey. Andre reminds us that life is short but we are dead for a bloody long time, so you might as well make your best effort. Enjoy the show.
Andre Obradovic tells us his outstanding accomplishments and has good tips for maintaining health and recovering from stress caused fatigue. [00:01:20]
Does he really run marathon at his MAF heart rate? [00:04:25]
After gaining weight, he was transformed back to normal healthy weight because of the dietary changes he made. [00:06:52]
Flexibility/mobility training is most important. [00:15:23]
Should you be focusing on your time and heart rate? [00:20:29]
Why are we in such a rush? [00:24:40]
We should be aware how stress affects the family. [00:27:23]
What does he mean by his "gluts and high hips" mantra when he is running? Why should we run with barefoot? 00:29:19]
You ought to be able to race without data. [00:32:41]
How does (MSP) maximum sustained power correlate to endurance competitive goals? What is Andre's workout routine? 00:36:59]
Checking in on our bodies is so important. [00:43:53]
- I go against conventional stupidity!
- Don’t be a Muppet…get off the couch!
- Personal trainers should be talking about diet before the physical training.
- The endurance athlete’s perceived sign of success seems to be training themselves into exhaustion.
- You ought to be able to race without data.
- Think Wastebook instead of Facebook!
- Checking in on our bodies is so important.
Brad Kearns tackles more interesting Q&A from Primal Endurance podcast listeners and book readers. Submit your questions at www.primalblueprint.com/
Dan (?) Can you elaborate on what is a suitable domain for self-experimentation vs. the core principles that have remained unchanged in your routine over the past several years? Can you comment on the relative merit of Fartlek vs. occasional dedicated speed workouts? [00:00:37]
David Lapp asks whether one can still do long distance Ironman-length triathlons after age 50 and be healthy? [00:09:26]
As I am learning to go with the low carb diet, will my fasting lead to not eating enough? [00:20:14]
Thomas Peterson: Can you please compare and contrast the benefits of doing short speed work during a normal 180 minus age run vs. a dedicated speed workout? [00:29:31]
Thomas also asks: What are the principles that we should never change come hell or high water? AND What are the aspects of fitness where we should feel free to experiment? [00:30:17]
Dr. Ted asks "Do I need to add more speed work or race pace runs to help me finish better?" [00:37:16]
Host Brad Kearns welcomes pioneering physician and legendary endurance runner Dr. Mark Cucuzzella of West Virginia. Mark has run a sub-3 hour marathon for 30 consecutive years! With an all-time best of 2:24, he is still going strong at age 51. And he is doing this stuff in barefoot/minimal footwear. He opened the nations first minimalist running shoe store called TwoRiversTreads. In this show, Mark talks about his high carb, running machine past and his evolution into a healthy, fat-adapted runner. He advocates for doing short bursts of sprinting frequently, called "alactic sprints". When you accelerate for several seconds, you teach your central nervous system the optimal movement patterns to maximize propulsive force and prevent injury, but you aren't overstressing the body with longer duration sprints. Mark is big on going barefoot and being active instead of being a "zoo human."
He discusses his truly revolutionary effort to rid his local hospital of sweetened beverages and enhance education in the diabetic community as to the benefits of ditching processed carbs and increasing intake of healthy, nutritious fats. Mark's journey was turbo-charged six years ago when he learned he was pre-diabetic, despite decades of elite level marathon performance and being a lean, mean machine. He read Gary Taubes's work and embarked on a low-carb lifestyle, also embracing the aerobic training principles of his longtime friend Dr. Phil Maffetone. Mark mentions that is the stuffy medical world, we need convincing for dietary transformation, and that Continuous Glucose Monitors are now easily accessible for all. The small effort he is making in West Virginia (the most obese all US states in fact!) is spreading quickly in the medical community as Mark spreads the word. Enjoy these insights from a truly exceptional endurance performer who is doing transformative work in his hospital environment!
After performing at a fast level and having the accompanying injuries, is there a way to analyze the future potential you have to improve or surpass your previous record? [00:05:14]
Does the development of the athletic ability in a youngster really help prepare for adult competition? [00:09:22]
How does one work on their form? [00:14:43]
The body loves variability. [00:20:08]
How has the medical world failed in keeping up with the new information on diabetes? [00:21:22]
What happened when Mark was diagnosed with pre-diabetes? [00:35:03]
What about the lower heart rate training program? How did the fat burning capacity develop? [00:42:11]
The importance of sleep is often overlooked.[00:43:48]
What is hypoglycemia? [00:45:02]
Can a person still eat carbs at all? [00:48:56]
Brad Kearns tackles more interesting Q&A from Primal Endurance podcast listeners and book readers. Submit your questions at www.primalblueprint.com/
Estelle asks about her plantar fasciitis. Rest doesn't work, why? What can she do?? [00:00:33]
Mark is using the adjustable desk. Is there any research of endurance athletes with desk jobs benefitting from the standup desk? What can the guy with the desk job do? [00:06:53]
What about chest freezer cold water therapy? What is a Hexbar? [00:18:41]
Ryan asks: Does it make physiological sense to perform a few sets of relatively heavy squats before my morning run to burn off muscle glycogen and get into ketosis faster for the run? [00:21:44]
Whit asks: Is the MAF calculation is affected by altitude? What about high altitude training in general? [00:23:40]
Brad Kearns tackles more interesting Q&A from Primal Endurance podcast listeners and book readers. Submit your questions at www.primalblueprint.com/
Andy in Germany asks: After a history of minor but annoying injuries, I started to train the primal way two years ago and made it to Kona. I keep measuring my heart rate. Now I am wondering what causes a huge difference in my training heart rate and my racing heart rate? [00:01:19]
Adam wants to know how to regulate his weight gain/loss cycle. What about lactic acid changes in the muscles? [00:12:45]
Wade is a plays hockey which is an extreme stop and start sport. He asks: What is the Primal Endurance approach for training for this type of situation? [00:17:03]
Emma (60) Does your aerobic base differ for each sport: swimming, biking, and running? [00:22:32]
What is the reason for breathing only through your nose while training? [00:25:10]
Can I still incorporate the nose breathing during swimming and bicycling training? [00:28:12]
Pader is a runner and asks about the P-90X training in conjunction with the primal training. [00:29:02]
Jonathan asks: Is it possible for an athlete to come back after burnout? [00:31:41]
Todd (age 33) has Lymes disease and he's had many surgeries but still is a fit specimen. He is now getting ready for a sprint triathlon and is asking about how to prevent burnout. What is the best way for him to train? [00:00:59]
Paul is new to Primal Endurance life. He went on a 24-hour mountain bike ride. He suffered from GI problems and had to stop the race. He also asks about keeping his heart rate where he wants it to be when he is going uphill on his bike? What does he need to do differently? [00:08:10]
Sometimes you just have to relax about the competition. [00:15:31]
What are some suggestions about fueling during race? [00:18:05]
Warren asks "How do apply the 180 minus age formula to children?" [00:23:44]
Bradley asks if people would consider refereeing soccer an endurance sport? [00:27:20]
Bruce has trouble buying into Dr. Maffetone's 180 minus age training formula. [00:30:34]
Doug asks about the run-walk formula that he is using. [00:32:38]
Host Brad Kearns welcomes favored recurring guest Andrew MacNaughton of TheAthletesPotential. It's been a while since we caught up with Andrew, so he details his dietary experimentation with keto, his return to training after a year of minimal exercise, and the usual assortment of juicy asides and insights about adopting the proper mindset for endurance exercise. Andrew went deep with some 24-hour and even 48-hour fasting, saying that it was no trouble--even while doing moderate aerobic workouts during the fasting period. The show discusses the great potential of functional medicine to help athletes get healthy, the necessary first step to pursuing fitness goals. Gut dysfunction is so prevalent these days, and functional testing can go where traditional medicine does not. Andrew does complete testing every two years so he can track his progression of aging and make sure he is doing the best he can to sustain peak function.
Andrew recommends that athletes ask themselves the important questions of, "what would be best?” "how can I do better?" (for health, for peak performance, etc.) and then work toward the best accommodation of those goals. Putting health as the absolute #1 priority is a good start. Enjoy the show. Please take a moment to leave the show a review on iTunes or wherever you listen to podcasts and spread the word to your peeps on social media.
What did Andrew learn when he tried the Keto experiment as well as trying fasting? [00:01:18]
It takes less time to recover from no meal than it does to recover from bad food! [00:04:08]
What about damage from the vegetable oils? [00:08:07]
What happens as you age when your childhood eating habits were poor? [00:10:06]
What kind of functional testing does he do with his clients? [00:14:24]
What are some of the results Andrew finds in his own testing? [00:16:05]
Can one always tell when they have a problem like in the digestive system? [00:19:33]
When acknowledging that our bodies aren't functioning perfectly, it is important to at least learn what would be best for you as you move forward. [00:20:45]
It is very common in this current lifestyle to be so busy that you ignore your body. [00:24:24]
With Andrew's experimenting in diet, what were the effects on his exercise and training? [00:27:39]
Comfort food will eventually make you uncomfortable. [00:39:07]
Do you know what it feels like to feel good? [00:40:35]
Candy is a coach and she is asking about training young kids and how to prevent injury and burnout. [00:00:53]
David asks about aerobic vs. anaerobic training. He has slowed down his training and now he wants to compete. Will he have to start all over again after he competes using maximum speed? [00:07:30]
Another David, age 28, finds it difficult to contain his heart rate when something beyond his control comes into the picture. What happens to his heart rate? [00.19.12]
Ward asks about skipping workouts. He asks about muscle loss in older people (sarcopenia) and whether your skills get depleted if you are not consistent. [00:22:35]
What about de-training due to illness or injury? Can you get it back? [00:30:05]
Travis asks, "Does ketosis protect me from injury?" [00:32:53]
Josh is asking about a massive Navy Seal challenge he participated in and whether such an event is damaging. How can you go about participating in Primal Obstacle Race? [00:35:43]
Brad continues to discuss topics of recent interest and new strategies he is trying out in training experiments, including his plunging deep into the world of temperature therapy. In consult with Dr. Kelly Starrett, author of Becoming a Supple Leopard and founder of MobilityWOD.com, you’ll get tips to start using cold water therapy as well as heat therapy to pursue the vaunted benefits.
Brad has a chest freezer filled with near-freezing water for both morning and evening plunges. For morning, it’s a hermetic stressor to boost adaptive hormones and naturally sharpen central nervous system function. For before bed, a quick plunge helps facilitate a good night’s sleep by lowering body temperature. Brad’s game is to stay for ~3 min at temperatures 36-40F. Not long enough to suffer or shiver for hours afterward.
Check out his YouTube videos: Check out his YouTube demonstration coming soon!
Short demo to get you started: Coming Soon!
A detailed description of benefits and demo: Coming Soon!
The deal with cold therapy is to keep it far away from training stimulus. You want the inflammatory process to run its course after a workout, despite the fact that it feels great to cool your legs in an icy river after a hard run or the like.
With heat therapy, the infrared sauna causes a mini-fever effect to enhance cellular function and improve cardiovascular function. Starrett likes the hot sauna where you can really sweat and even get uncomfortable before getting out. Brad is doing Chris Kelly’s Nourish BalanceThrive detox protocol of going into a sauna for a big sweat, and immediately scrubbing off with Dr. Bronners soap to clear toxins (since his NBT tests showed residue of toxic metals and rubber by-products in his blood! Possibly a consequence of growing up in smoggy LA or perhaps even drinking from plastic water bottles that have been exposed to heat - like a sunny car.)
In furthering the concept of a more varied and relaxed approach to training, Brad references the podcast where he discussed the Simply Running approach of New Zealand Olympic 1500 meter silver and bronze medalist Nick Willis. The takeaway message is to design a training program that is enjoyable, fits conveniently into your other life responsibilities, and tone down the obsessive need to hit arbitrary time or volume standards. Consistency in the context of building fitness is simply not as important as we think it is. Don’t compare yourself to the elites. They are out there for hours every largely because they do have plenty of time to spend on training and are looking for those incremental benefits.
Take a page from the bodybuilding scene. Ridicule the bro science if you must, but bodybuilders respect and appreciate the importance of balancing stress and rest—breaking down muscles with intense training and then resting and hyper-nourishing to come back with huge muscles.
On the other hand, realize the disastrous consequences of a chronic approach, as we now see the elevated cardiovascular disease risk factors in hard training.
Brad also refers to his super nutrition morning green smoothie, also available on YouTube: Coming Soon!
Great topics to get you thinking about ways to optimize your approach to training!
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What is cold temperature therapy and what are the benefits of it? [00:01:44]
How does melatonin work in helping one sleep? What else helps one sleep? [00:09:51]
You do not want the cold exposure anywhere near your workout. [00:13:17]
What is the role of heat therapy? [00:17:00]
How does Brad start his day? What motivates him? [00:24:20]
Kickstart your digestive circadian rhythm with a green smoothie. [00:29:16]
Do we need to eat more calories when we are focused on Keto dieting? [00:32:59]
How do we know if we have a carb dependency problem? [00:37:09]