Primal Endurance Podcast

Welcome to The Primal Endurance Podcast, where we challenge the ineffective, overly stressful conventional approach to endurance training and provide a refreshing, sensible, healthy, fun alternative. Going primal frees you from carbohydrate dependency and turns you into a fat burning beast! Enjoy interviews from elite athletes, coaches, authors and scientists on the cutting edge of endurance training and performance.
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May 20, 2016
Brad Kearns explains the common errors and misconceptions about the role of strength training for endurance athletes, and why it's so important to strength train in the proper manner, at the right times of the season.
Learn how to avoid the dreaded "blended" workouts that just leave you tired and over-trained, how increasing raw power and explosiveness will improve your endurance performance, and how to integrate strength workouts into your schedule without compromising your aerobic development. 
May 13, 2016

Brad Kearns mixes things up with a narration format podcast, addressing the most common question of Primal Endurance enthusiasts: Can I really slow down to go faster?

This commentary will get you focused and motivated to slow down and appreciate the importance and the scientific rationale for building an aerobic base, and being highly disciplined to keep your training heart rate at or below Dr. Phil Maffetone's "180-age" formula.

May 7, 2016

Brad Kearns addresses an assortment of podcast listeners/Primal Endurance reader questions. Topics covered include the all-important issue of building an aerobic base, and the importance of slowing down to go faster. Other questions about diet, cramping and effective scheduling are covered. Brad's secret solution to prevent cramping? Get in shape (seriously!). This episode is also available in video format on YouTube (more video podcasting coming in the future.

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Apr 22, 2016

Brad and Andrew get deep into big questions endurance athletes might want to ask themselves about their training - How do I feel? Should I alter my planned workout accordingly? Am I progressing with my fitness, or falling into an overtraining/overstress pattern? Is it okay to "fiddle around" at most of your workouts? (Andrew says YES, and cites an Olympic gold medal swimmer who did just that in his glory days). Enjoy a thoughtful discussion that may change your entire outlook on your endurance goals!

Mar 25, 2016

Host Brad Kearns sits down with Dave Dollé, personal trainer and co-Author of Fruit Belly. Today we’re diving deep into Dave’s background and current career endeavors, including how he manages his two training facilities and keeps his clients motivated.

Mar 18, 2016

Ultra Runner Jeff Browning joins host Brad Kearns to discuss how adopting a Primal lifestyle helped him overcome Candida and improve his overall athletic performance.

Mar 11, 2016

Brad is back in studio with your questions answered!

Mar 5, 2016

Host Brad Kearns is back in the studio with author and podcast alum, Dr. Phil Maffetone. Brad and Phil discuss the common “short-cut syndrome” of the typical endurance training program, leading too many athletes to become fitter, at the expense of their health.

Learn how to become optimally fit, without sacrificing health, inducing injury, fatigue, depression and burnout, in this eye opening and informative episode!

Feb 26, 2016

Host Brad Kearns sits down with Endurance Planet Podcast host Tawnee Prazak, for a lively talk on the importance of taking a holistic approach to training. 

Feb 20, 2016

Andrew and Brad discuss how to “solve the puzzle” of transitioning gracefully through major shifts in career or life. In the athletic world, many struggle on the occasion of retirement because the intensity of competition and attention is difficult or impossible to match in more traditional career pursuits. A process-oriented mindset is urged, so that self-esteem is not attached to results or one’s identity as an athlete, or a career achiever as well. Another suggestion is finding new passions—they don’t necessarily have to be competitive—but something that lights you up and engages you deeply. More discussion of how to balance career, family, fitness/health, and personal goals, and how sometimes we look at health and fitness pursuits as “sacrifices” when in fact not doing healthy behaviors is the real sacrifice. Enjoy a thoughtful show full of practical tips from Andrew and Brad.

Feb 12, 2016

Hi folks, today will wrap up our chapter-by-chapter summary series on Primal Endurance, finishing with Chapters 8 and 9!

Chapter 8 goes over complimentary movement practices and Chapter 9 will rundown the best-of-the-best recovery techniques. So we’re talking about all the peripheral stuff that goes outside the core workouts that prepare you for endurance competitions. Things like yoga, pilates, foam rolling, getting adequate sleep and making sure you engage in sufficient everyday general movement. We’ll also cover cold water therapy, compression, and some of the latest and greatest advanced recovery techniques.

Releasing Primal Endurance has been a dream come true and it's been a pleasure getting you acquainted with the ins and outs of it! Tune in next week as we get back to our regular interview schedule.

Feb 5, 2016

On today’s special show, hosts Brad Kearns and Andrew MacNaughton connect with retired triathlon legend Simon Whitfield from Victoria, B.C., Canada. Simon details his remarkable victory in the inaugural Olympic triathlon in Sydney, Australia in 2000, along with other memories and perspectives gained from his lengthy career at the top of the sport. Simon is an extremely thoughtful, introspective athlete whose insights can provide great value to whatever peak performance or life goals you pursue. “If you love your pursuits, you’ll find a way to success. If you succumb to your fears and insecurities, your results will suffer accordingly,” says Simon. With refreshing candor, Simon mentions the dangers of drifting into a prima donna perspective and how to recalibrate to focus on the journey; especially having a strong and authentic support team. “Hard truths come with sharp edges, but they are the source of the greatest learning,” Simon offers. Simon updates us about his recent doings, including epic standup paddling adventures in Victoria. Enjoy this deeply revealing and impactful discussion with triathlon’s most thoughtful coach, Andrew MacNaughton, and most thoughtful elite athlete, Simon Whitfield.

Jan 29, 2016

Hi folks! We're back this week with our chapter-by-chapter summary of Primal Endurance. Today we're taking a look at Chapter 6: Sprinting. Learn how to properly integrate these high intensity workouts into your endurance training schedule and the assorted benefits you'll get from doing occasional sprints, which teach your body to perform at maximum intensity when you need it the most.

Jan 22, 2016

Happy Friday, listeners! We're back to our chapter-by-chapter breakdown of Primal Endurance. This week, we're taking a look at Chapter 5: Strength Training.

Learn how to properly (and safely) integrate high-intensity strength training workouts into your endurance training program. Be your own gym by incorporating full body functional movements such as; push-ups, planks, and squats.

You’ll be fascinated by the details on how maximum sustained power workouts tie into your endurance performance and how to enjoy maximum power output even as you fatigue, so make sure to tune in today!

Jan 15, 2016

Hi folks, we're back this week with a breakdown of Primal Endurance, Chapters 3 and 4: The Primal Blueprint Eating Strategy. Learn how to modify your diet, once and for all, to escape the tragic outcome of carbohydrate dependency for endurance athletes.

Jan 8, 2016

Today, Brad dives into Chapter 2 of Primal Endurance, which tackles the flaws in the traditional regimented and methodical approach to training. Learn the importance of balancing stress and rest, by aligning the difficulty of your workouts with your daily level of energy, motivation, and general health.

Dec 25, 2015

Tune in today for a very special rundown of the Introduction and Chapter 1 of Primal Endurance - arguably the most critical parts of the book, as they really set the stage for what the Primal Endurance approach and philosophy is all about.

Dec 11, 2015

Tune into this special preview of Mark Sisson’s newest book, Primal Endurance. Show host and co-author, Brad Kearns, details 115 things you’ll need to know as a Primal Endurance Athlete, including: The 7 Habits of Highly Effective Primal Endurance Athletes, what your training schedule should look like per season, over the course over the entire year, and the importance of strict rest and recovery periods.

Get better, faster, and stronger than ever before with the help of this groundbreaking release!

Nov 27, 2015

Brad talks about maybe the most important element of a successful endurance program--emphasizing aerobic base building at the proper heart rates. This fast paced narration will give you the straight scoop about how to train aerobically, and help you avoid the egregious mistakes that endurance athletes of all ability levels make when they drift into slightly too difficult intensity zone during workouts - training in the Black Hole! Brad dispenses Dr. Phil Maffetone's secret formula of "180-age" heart rate training, and details the burnout he experienced early in 2015 by mistakenly training at too elevated of an aerobic heart rate. Get your training straight by listening to this quick, informative podcast!

Nov 20, 2015

Host Brad Kearns talks with Los Angeles-based author, diet coach and Ironman triathlete Nell Stephenson. Nell, the author of Paleoista, is on the cutting edge of fat adapted endurance training. She details her gradual transition from carb-dependent endurance athlete to being fully fat adapted. She started by ditching gluten, ditching other grains, then trying to exercise while fasted. She gradually extended her abilities here, but still relied on gels to fuel extended workouts and races. The final breakthrough came for Nell when she bested the field at 70.3 triathlons in Honu, Hawaii and Vineman, California while fasted beforehand and consuming minimal calories during. A ketone burning beast on the podium. Nell is a wealth of knowledge about nutritional coaching and details the services she offers to clients to help them improve health, reduce inflammation and perform better with endurance goals.

Nov 14, 2015

Host Elle Russ turns the tables on host Brad Kearns and makes him an interview guest. Brad discusses his athletic background, including his unlikely ascent into the elite professional triathlete ranks with arguably the greatest upset in the history of the sport as a rookie triathlete; his early coach/athlete relationship with Mark Sisson and how it transformed his career and led to multiple national championships and a #3 world ranking, and his eventual journey into the world of Primal Blueprint with Mark that began in 2006. Toward the end of the show, Elle grills Brad about the benefits of being a fat adapted Primal Endurance athlete, foreshadowing the release of Mark and Brad’s new book, Primal Endurance.

Nov 7, 2015

Host Brad Kearns talks to testosterone expert Christopher Walker, who details a remarkable story of self-healing from serious endocrine problems. Don’t flinch at the title—Chris’ approach is the opposite of the magic supplement obsessed blather you typically hear on the topic of testosterone enhancement. Chris was a college student at Duke and a hardcore triathlete when he first experienced some debilitating symptoms of low testosterone. When tested he was found to have a hideously low serum level of 11 ng/dl, where the normal range for his age group would be 400-1000 ng/dl. He was also discovered to have a pituitary tumor, which in addition to adverse lifestyle practices, was the cause of his serious disorder.


Chris boldly chose to forego the medically advised approach of either surgery or hormone replacement therapy and embark on a holistic lifestyle transformation. In a short time, he cured his condition and his testosterone level skyrocketed to 1192 ng/dl! Chris’s key to recovery included an assortment of holistic methods, including adopting a new empowering mindset and a diet full of primal-aligned foods.


Christopher offers these and other actionable tips for males to naturally elevate testosterone in today’s episode. Furthermore, offers details about Christopher’s full program, including an excellent free print book (just pay S&H and he’ll mail you an actual book!) to get you started. So tune in to get a jump start on a common problem that may have a simpler (and more painless) solution than you might have thought!

Nov 7, 2015
The dynamic duo of Brad and Brock do another “all host, no guest” format for this show. They tee up the exciting topic of low carb endurance training, and how to transition away from the carb dependency paradigm that frames the conventional approach to endurance training. Brock and Brad describe the numerous health, body composition, and performance benefits that come to athletes eating a more nutritious diet and ditching the toxic refined carbs (and high polyunsaturated vegetable oils) that damage the health of even the fittest endurance machines.

Carb dependency is a two-fold problem: First, chronic training patterns causing frequent depletion and consequent disturbance in appetite and fat storage hormones. Second, consuming too many processed carbs causes insulin spikes, fat storage patterns, and cravings for more carbs. In determining the optimal amount of carbs, the first question to ask is: do you have excess body fat or not? The primal approach never discounts the importance of recovering from training (and choosing the most nutritious carbs for this purpose), but is an attractive solution to finally, once and for all, solving that puzzle of carrying excess body fat despite a big devotion to endurance training.
Oct 23, 2015

Host Brad Kearns welcomes the red-hot author David Epstein to the show, on the heels of his whirlwind global tour to promote his bestselling book, The Sports Gene: Inside the science of extraordinary athletic performance. This is widely regarded as the seminal book on the topic of genetics in sports, and in it Dave dispels many widely held misconceptions and prejudices that people harbor relating to how genetics affects athletic performance.

 In this conversation, Epstein discusses the pop culture of the “10,000 Hour Rule” (first presented by Dr. K. Anders Ericsson, Ph.D, and popularized by Malcolm Gladwell in the book Outliers.) Epstein dispels the accuracy of science behind the concept and the practical application of the concept. Basically, it’s BS! Genetic factors are relevant, as illustrated by the amazing “Tale of Two High Jumpers” featured in Chapter 2 in the book. Besides great physical attributes, there are genetic elements to the all-important athletic success factor of “desire to train.” People (like phenomenal ultra-athlete Pam Reed) have different dopamine response systems.

When it comes to stereotyping, for example, “Jamaicans are fast sprinters,” one must not overlook cultural factors. In Jamaica, youth track and field is king—there is no falling through the cracks or diverting to other sports. Epstein also writes for the progressive journalism nonprofit called, which preserves the tradition of long-form investigative journalism. He had a huge impact with his recent article on the doping suspicions surrounding top track field coach Alberto Salazar. Enjoy the show and grab the book on!

Show Notes:

  • David did some research on the "ten thousand hour "rule that simply says: "If you put in enough time to anything, you'll become a master."   What did he find? [00:03:17]
  • Does repetitive practice help you improve? [00:06:38]
  • What’s the importance of practice variability? [00:10:44]
  • What part does genetics play in the field of high-level athletics? [00:13:05]
  • One surprising thing, when looking at the compulsion to train, involves the dopamine system. [00:18:35]
  • What is the secret of the longevity aspect of training? [00:22:35]
  • What about the belief that athletes from certain cultures are just born that way? [00:25:49]
  • Individualization (peoples' genetic differences) has been the thing to look at regarding training plans. [00:31:24]
  • Brad and David discuss medicines and medical exemptions as regards doping in sports. [00:34:38] 

Selected Links from the Episode:

Usain Bolt

David Epstein

Pam Reed


The Sports Gene

Tale of Two High Jumpers

The Sports Gene: Inside the science of extraordinary athletic performance

Oct 17, 2015

Description: The hosts with the most, Brad and Brock, return for another ridiculously interesting, free-flowing conversation on all matters of endurance training. First, they discuss how physically demanding jobs might impact training for endurance events—like nurses doing shift work or construction workers trying to train alongside the office workers. There are benefits to “moving frequently” in an active job, but the training schedule of highly physically demanding careers must be flexible and dynamic. When it comes to coaching people with busy lives, the transition away from robotic pre-programmed coaching schedules could alter the current business model, with coaches going from workout programmers to strategists.

Brad mentions how both Dr. Maffetone and Dave Scott agree that going relatively hard and going extremely hard have the same training effect. What if you backed off a bit on your high-intensity workouts? Would you lose mental toughness? Or would you recover faster, have less risk of setbacks (injury, illness, burnout) and thus get even faster? Maffetone thinks so in the premise of his book, 1:59 Marathon.

Brock recites “10 Myths About Elite Runners,” published in a Canadian running magazine, and the two banter about the assorted myths in hopes that recreational competitors can take to heart some of the misnomers about elites that compromise good decision making. This show offers an assortment of valuable tidbits to help you balance your training optimally with your important everyday life responsibilities.

Show Notes:

  • Brock talks about coaching his own partner who works irregular 12-hour shifts and how she is able to train for marathons while dealing with her crazy schedule. [00:01:39]
  • What is the most optimal training schedule? [00:06:41]
  • What if you backed off a bit on your high-intensity workouts? [00:11:59]
  • The biggest mistake that endurance athletes make is overtraining in an overstressed pattern. [00:16:43]
  • They talk about an article Brock read in a Canadian publication about the top ten myths about elite runners. One is that they "kill it" every workout. [00:19:10]
  • One of the other myths is: They never take a sip of booze. [00:23:57]
  • Is it true that the elite athletes eat healthy all the time? Can one "undo" years of poor dietary habits? [00:25:21]
  • Can a blood test show you enough to get you to turn around your poor dietary habits? Is there metabolic damage? [00:31:15]
  • Brad talks about how our bodies are constantly rejuvenating themselves to repair damage. [00:32:50]
  • What can we do to live longer? Avoiding stupid mistakes is a good idea. [00:34:21]
  • They talk about some more myths about the elite athlete. Do they give up their social life? [00:38:27]
  • Myth number 5 is that they all head to the US for university. [00:39:49]
  • Do they always get up early to run? [00:42:43]
  • Some of the ideas about how to train have been blown away by some examples that Brad shares. [00:45:35] 
  • Do the elite athletes ignore injuries? [00:48:08]
  • Myth number 9: They never get nervous. [00:56:25]
  • Myth number 10 is that they are never hurting during races. [01:00:10] 

Selected Links from the Episode:

Ageless Body, Timeless Mind
Dr. Deepak Chopra
How Lance Does It
I’m Here to Win
Dr. Phil Maffetone
Dr. Doug McGuff: Primal Prescription
Dave Scott

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